Back in the day, eGroups (which became YahooGroups through
acquisition) revolutionized group formation online in 1998.
Prior to that time you had to essentially have your own server or be
based at an university to run an e-mail list. It took me many months
to find the folks at the U of Minn in 1993 where I could host the
Public Policy Network e-mail list that got me into online group
building originally. With E-Democracy.org (until we moved to
YahooGroups for a number of years) we were lucky to have Minnesota's
then largest ISP and regional Internet node host our MN-Politics forum
using "majordomo." Remember that name?
While newsgroups were available, at least with politics, they were
anonymous bottom of barrel conspiracy theory filled spaces like online
news commenting is today. E-mail lists typically brought real
identities to the fore because most people simply do not have the time
to manage an alias via a webmail account. (The web forums, blog
commenting systems, and MySpace went the newsgroup "alias" route and
Facebook basically went old school by adopting real identities like
most e-mail list users.)
The problem with e-mail list tools, is that developers haven't found
them sexy to work with. Mailservers are a pain and keeping spammers at
bay a challenge. So while Google Groups and YahooGroups remain popular
services, they've really languished. (One reason why we went with open
source [GroupServer.org] so we could still allow lowest common
denominator e-mail publishing while getting the web interface into a
semi-competitive position to compete with the expectations of new more
web-centric, now social networking centric users.)
YahooGroups is trying to change that and make e-mail lists look modern
on the web:
[www.ygroupsblog.com]
They are trying to make the functioning of e-mail lists look more Ning
or social networking like.
So, I find some of the comments quite interesting (I need to see an
actual new group in action to judge what features are gone). When
folks ask E-Democracy.org why we don't use "just use" Ning or Drupal
or Facebook etc. in part it is because in general - most of your
existing user base - will not come with you if you change to much (or
in particular if you try to force them to move) and in our case
sacrifice e-mail publishing to essentially look better to potential
new users. Now it could well be that we could serve many more
communities (perhaps at a lower quality threshold) by creating
Facebook Pages with trained facilitators for our Issues Forums, but
like the YahooGroups group owners are experiencing you no longer
control your own destiny when the real owner changes things based on
their goals/mission and not your own.
From:
[www.ygroupsblog.com]
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Will Davis said,
August 31, 2010 @ 7:52 pm
Stop. Making. Changes.
The number of items “removed (at least for now)” is DISGUSTING.
The remodel is unworkable.
Go look at the comments attached to the blog post you folks made when
you announced the changes. You’re getting buried there.
Stop building yourselves YahooFacebookLite and leave well enough alone.
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Mike Clemens said,
August 31, 2010 @ 7:57 pm
So now I can’t read the entire message, but have to sort through the
pile of stuff I’m not interested in? Nice “redeisgn” folks. You’ve
taken all the utility out of the groups and replaced it with visual
noise.
Please add an option for those of us boring stick-in-the-muds who want
to see the whole message and its thread at one time.
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Jan D said,
August 31, 2010 @ 7:59 pm
I absolutely HATE the new format. I need my group messages listed in
date order – not subject order. I want my messages listed in order by
date and time. This is confusing and hard to read. PLEASE go back to
the old format. When you have something that works well, why change
it? I am very unhappy about this and will probably stop trying to read
most of my group list if this is the best that Yahoo can do to present
them.
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James said,
August 31, 2010 @ 8:06 pm
This new format is awful for what my group of 33,000 members for 7
years are accustomed to, what happened to the rich text for posting
messages, being able to format links, embed photo’s or just to be able
to use html?
No group description or being able to customize home page???
Will there be option to opt out and keep our old format if we were
happy with it??
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Will Davis said,
August 31, 2010 @ 8:16 pm
Design team – now you’re getting buried on the Suggestions Board too.
Have you looked at that? Or is it Miller Time?
NO ONE WANTS YAHOOFACEGROUPSBOOK. Or any such Frankensteinian
assemblage. Are you listening?!
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John said,
August 31, 2010 @ 8:20 pm
For the love of Pete. What are you doing at Yahoo.
This new format is terrible. Why not give group owners the ability to
return to the older (user friendly) format.
Do something good for a change and return to the other format.
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Major Group said,
August 31, 2010 @ 8:29 pm
PLEASE DO NOT FORCE THIS ABOMINATION UPON US.
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garry w robinson said,
August 31, 2010 @ 8:30 pm
for cryin out loud yall . didnt your mamma ever tell you if its workin
dont tinker with it. this is awfull
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Major Group said,
August 31, 2010 @ 8:38 pm
It took 2 years to recover from the previous “makeover” :(
I own techical/scientific groups of 10,000 members and 3,500 members.
I have owned these groups since before YahooGroups existed. In fact,
many of my members got their Yahoo ID because of a need to participate
in my groups.
Please do not betray all the group owners and moderators by destroying
what we have built over the past 12 years.
We don’t want a Facebook style or any “social networking” style.
We only want to be able to communicate with each other simply via text
seamlessly on email and web. We will put up with some advertising and
be very loyal if you don’t keep messing us over every few years.
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Anna said,
August 31, 2010 @ 8:38 pm
Geepers if I want facebook I would use it. I don’t like the change at
all. I find all the things in the postings to be excess. We talk about
things pertinent to the show and want to keep it that way without all
the excess additions. We use the KISS program and enjoy it from what I
see. BTW KISS is keep it simple stupid. The one aspect we do miss is
the fact we can not have chat. We migrated from the old original yahoo
clubs and members are allowed to hide their addresses making us unable
to have a chat room. I hope with this new format we can opt out if we
do not want to be a part of it.
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